First of all, Mad Props to Townsman Kcills for passing along the clip HVB just posted, which all ties into this thread I am posting now.
A little background: last weekend a handful of us were in attendance at the Bar Mitzvah for the son of a Townsman. As some of you know, I’m a big fan of almost any ceremony. I contemplate all the love in the room, the great people, the importance of the day, and our eventual deaths. Then I quickly well up at the first opportunity. Considering my history with this Townsman and his family, I was especially stoked for the day’s events. You can’t be too strong.
To be honest, though, as much as I love weddings, funerals, Bar/Bat Mitzvahs, retirement parties, and even ceremonies much less grand, I do need to brace myself for the religious part of any faith-based ceremony. I’ve got nothing against anyone’s god or religion, just the potentially really long, boring parts of any faith’s service. Entering the synagogue, I took comfort in the fact that my friends are – how shall I phrase it – more earthly sorts, who probably wouldn’t feel the need to amp up the long, less-decipherable passages from the Torah. My family and I arrived a couple of minutes late and entered a small, friendly synagogue, with our friends’ son looking great and a warm cantor and rabbi conducting the ceremony.
The cantor was awesome. His pipes were strong, and he sang in a direct manner, making good eye contact with the audience, even those among us who hadn’t a clue what it was he was singing. I wished my little bit of religious exposure through my family’s religion would have included a good cantor, or in my family’s case, singing priest. Music is to mass as honey is to medicine.
The day’s featured mannish boy also got to sing along with the cantor, and he was on! I got to thinking of long ago, when my good friend – the father – had such a clear, innocent voice. Gosh, those of you who’ve heard him sing in public the last 25 years wouldn’t have recognized him before the Velvet Fog rolled in! Then my friend – our Townsman – sang a passage as well, and you could still make out a trace of his youthful voice. It must be like hearing Marianne Faithfull sing “As Tears Go By” today. I got to thinking that I need to incorporate more minor keys into the songs I write; it’s time I stop trying to whitewash my friend’s voice with all these songs written in G and E. It’s time his people came.
Then the rabbi put aside all ancient texts and spoke from his heart about our friends’ son. Then the jaws of all Townspeople in attendance began dropping. The rabbi knew that the Bar Mitzvah was a rocker in training. He knew of his calloused fingers from learning the basslines to songs like The Beatles’ “Come Together” and Led Zeppelin’s “Good Times Bad Times”. This young man had been dedicating himself to not only preparing himself for the day’s Big Show but Big Shows in the future. The rabbi began talking about the recent Led Zeppelin reunion shows and the legacy of Led Zep.
He referred to a 1968 interview with Robert Plant and Jimmy Page in which an interviewer asked them if they thought their music would last as long as that of The Beatles. According to the rabbi, Plant and Page cracked up at the thought, in no way imagining they’d have such long-lasting impact. Perhaps the video clip I’ve included at the top of this post is the one the rabbi had in mind. I’m not going to Pince Nez the guy for remembering Page for John Bonham, and they don’t react exactly as he’d portrayed it in response to the interviewer’s question, but the Zeppelin bandmates do display some sincere humility and thoughtfulness. This much, in itself, was worthy of jaws dropping in a Bar Mitzvah service.
Then the rabbi went onto to say something to the effect of, “Who could have imagined that Led Zeppelin would have become one of the biggest rock bands of all time and that, 40 years later, with deceased drummer John Bonham’s son, Jason, sitting in on drums, the band would reunite for two shows that sold out within minutes of tickets going on sale! Led Zeppelin has, in fact, matched the legacy of The Beatles and will be remembered for hundreds of years.”
The point of this enthusiastic, moving talk, it should be noted, was to encourage the Bar Mitzvah to see through his dreams and to be confident that he would make a difference in his lifetime or beyond, which I agree with completely. For Rock Town Hall discussion purposes, I ask: Has the legacy of Led Zeppelin matched that of The Beatles? Is that blasphemy in the Church of Rock, or is this rockin’ rabbi especially with it?
Then the rabbi went on to discuss the Bar Mitzvah’s skills as a “front man.” Everyone in the synagogue thought this was a lead in to a discussion of the young man’s tie-in with his frontman dad. Instead, as the rabbi compared the young man to the pantheon of great frontmen – Page, Paul Rogers, Freddie Mercury, Jim Dandy – he completely bypassed the father, not to mention rock’s great frontmen of the Jewish faith. How do you feel about this oversight? Was the underlying message that it’s time father frontman move aside for his son? Previously, the rabbi had made several references to Jason Bonham, at one point even remarking on his superior kick drum skills relative to his father’s.
I’m going to have to become Jewish. Never heard a sermon that cool in church.
Terrific video clip!
I think it was an oversight not to mention the skills of the father (but maybe the father requested not to be mentioned…)
I was in the same room once with “The Triumvirate” – all chatting with one another: Barry Manilow, Gene Simmons, and David Lee Roth.
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I forgot to answer your question. My educated guess is that The Beatles legacy will outlast or outshine that of “The Led Zeppelin” (as the presenter called them). I think there are two things going in The Beatles’ favor, which are (1) melodies that are both more sophisticated and more hummable (and, hence, more versatile), and (2) their role as prime innovators in the history of pop music.
I once had a, uh, discussion with a former boss about this, sort of. I said that the Beatles were the best band at taking on different styles of music and making them their own. My boss said Zep were equally good if not better. I disagreed because the Fabs had four singers, whereas Zep had one (and not a terribly flexible vocalist either). We agreed to disagree and later that boss fired me. See how deeply rooted my Zep ambivalence is?!
Oats, I would never work for a Zep fan. They’re all wishy-washy an’ stuff. I’m not surprised what happened to you.
I won’t deny LZ’s gigantic mightiness, but the only act that can even sort of comapre with The Beatles is Elvis. Everyone else may be influential and may even live on for generations, but The Beatles just keep on being beloved and influential on so many different sub genres of rock and roll. While The Beatles may not quite be everyone’s cup of tea, they’re about as universally loved as musicians can ever hope to be.
It’s cool that the Rabbi is up to date on what’s up in rock n’ roll. I’d consider actually listening to that man compared to my normal internal monologue about how they built this giant building and stuff. A guy like that could actually make me feel like I “get it” for once.
I thought it was in bad taste when Mr Mod interrupted the service to challenge the Rabbi that Wolfgang Van Halen is a better second generation sideman than Jason Bonham. Making everyone watch the video on your cell phone to prove your point didn’t help any.
In Hail Hail Rock and Roll, Chuck Berry makes several references to John Lennon while introducing Julian and all it does is make you embarrassed for Julian. Rabbi Plant probably didn’t want ARos’s huge shadow to obscure the smaller mannish-boy.
I think that in our collective / cultural memories, there’s enough turf for both bands.
They’re different enough not to impinge upon each other.
But in a historical sense, I suppose you have to give the nod to the Beatles because, after all, Zeppelin wouldn’t have existed without them. Page himself has acknowledged that on several occasions, and has gotten even more specific: he’s acknowledged the production of Beatles records as his model.
So by the same token, I like 2k’s point about Elvis.
But I think what separates the Beatles and Zeppelin from someone as important as Elvis, and the reason why Elvis doesn’t come up in this question, is production value. Superb production is what has made both bands last. Their recordings are very easy on the ear and they don’t ever sound dated.
These thoughts are incomplete, rushed, and invite all sorts of horn honking…
I did not feel slighted in any way. This was my son’s day. Definitely time to steo out of my shadow. But the Rabbi could have at least given a shout out to Peter Wolf or DLR.
My son did recently buy “Mothership”. It is so weird to hear “heartbreaker” w/o “Livin Lovin…”. It jusy stops after “Heart”.
My opinion is that it isn’t even close. Has Cirque Del Soleil started a show around Zoso?
Also, Zep’s lyrics are just plain awful. No tasty John Paul Jones bass fill makes up for middle earth lyrics