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Shall we kick off the month of September with a little Dugout Chatter? Trusting your gut, please answer the following questions. Absolutely no expertise is required.

What’s more shocking about Cee-Lo‘s new “Fuck You” single, the fact that he works “fuck you” into the song multiple times or the fact that such an old-fashioned, gentle pop song contains so many instances of the phrase “fuck you?”

Although he became a parody of himself long ago, what do you appreciate most about Mick Jagger?

What artist/band, in your opinion, could have most used a kick in the ass to fulfill their potential?

Who’s the Jennifer Aniston of rock ‘n roll?

What instrument should all lead singers who don’t normally play an instrument be capable of playing in a pinch?

I look forward to your responses.

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  1. What’s more shocking about Cee-Lo’s new “Fuck You” single

    I haven’t heard it but does that word have any shock value left?

    Although he became a parody of himself long ago, what do you appreciate most about Mick Jagger?

    His voice. It’s not technically anything special but he’s used it to great effect over the years.

    What artist/band, in your opinion, could have most used a kick in the ass to fulfill their potential?

    X They strike me as much less than the sum of their parts.

    Who’s the Jennifer Aniston of rock ‘n roll?

    Anvil

    What instrument should all lead singers who don’t normally play an instrument be capable of playing in a pinch?

    Guitar. It’s the easiest instrument to squeak by on, and it offers the added benefit of allowing the singer to engage in some holstering during the verses.

  2. misterioso

    1. Cee Lo

    Huh, I hadn’t heard that because, well, I’m old and don’t care. It was amusing for the minute and a half that I devoted to it. But not so amusing (or shocking) that I could give it another two and half minutes of my time.

    2. Mick J

    His songwriting. Despite his and Keef’s efforts to suggest otherwise, they are great songwriters. Or were.

    3. Kick in the ass

    I hate to be obvious, but in keeping with the Beatles discussion, and speaking as a fan, by and large, of a lot of his early solo/Wings records, Paul needed no end of ass kicking, which he obviously did not receive, or else he wouldn’t have produced so very many half-baked records. I might add that John needed it, too, and if he’d received it, he might not have made a mess like Sometime in NYC, and Mind Games and Walls and Bridges might have come out as good records instead of very iffy ones.

    4. Jennifer Aniston of rock

    God, I’m not even sure what that means. I’ll say Sheryl Crow, though. Is that right?

    5. Lead singers

    Any lead singer should be able to do the Jagger/Daltrey things–percussion and harmonica. Those guys are capable guitarists, too, but, let’s face it, they look silly when they are wearing a guitar.

  3. mockcarr

    What’s more shocking about Cee-Lo’s new “Fuck You” single, the fact that he works “fuck you” into the song multiple times or the fact that such an old-fashioned, gentle pop song contains so many instances of the phrase “fuck you?”

    Isn’t it called “*&@# you”? I haven’t heard it.

    Although he became a parody of himself long ago, what do you appreciate most about Mick Jagger?

    His well placed “Yeah”s.

    What artist/band, in your opinion, could have most used a kick in the ass to fulfill their potential?

    The La’s. Did they ever have a second album?

    Who’s the Jennifer Aniston of rock ‘n roll?

    So we’re looking for attractive, famous for their hair, but are ultimately forgettable in their craft? Bon Jovi?

    What instrument should all lead singers who don’t normally play an instrument be capable of playing in a pinch?

    Maracas. If it has to be melodic, I guess harmonica, though that is a feckin cliche. If it’s in the right key they have more chance of hitting the right note than they would on a guitar or something.

  4. 1. I am actually most surprised about how catchy that “Fuck You” song is.

    2. I most appreciate Mick’s utter lack of sentimentality.

    3. This could be any number of bands. Right now I’m going to say The Afghan Whigs.

    4. Mick Taylor

    5. Cigarette

  5. 2000 Man

    What’s more shocking about Cee-Lo’s new “Fuck You” single, the fact that he works “fuck you” into the song multiple times or the fact that such an old-fashioned, gentle pop song contains so many instances of the phrase “fuck you?”

    How the fuck should I know? Who is Ceelo?

    Although he became a parody of himself long ago, what do you appreciate most about Mick Jagger?

    His awesomeness. I don’t believe you can become a parody of yourself, so I don’t have that problem. Besides, he’s more rock n roll than almost anyone.

    What artist/band, in your opinion, could have most used a kick in the ass to fulfill their potential?

    The Replacements.

    Who’s the Jennifer Aniston of rock ‘n roll?

    Madonna.

    What instrument should all lead singers who don’t normally play an instrument be capable of playing in a pinch?

    Sousaphone.

  6. BigSteve

    1. Jane says nothing’s shocking. Cee-Lo’s voice really grates for me. There’s something cheeseball and inauthentic about it. I’m all for fat bald pop stars, but … not him

    2. I appreciate his willingness to stay in the game long after he’d lost it.

    3. Kevin Shields.

    4. I can’t beat Bon Jovi, great answer.

    5. More cowbell!

  7. What’s more shocking about Cee-Lo’s new “Fuck You” single, the fact that he works “fuck you” into the song multiple times or the fact that such an old-fashioned, gentle pop song contains so many instances of the phrase “fuck you?”
    none of it.

    Although he became a parody of himself long ago, what do you appreciate most about Mick Jagger?
    his million$$$

    What artist/band, in your opinion, could have most used a kick in the ass to fulfill their potential?
    The Stone Roses

    Who’s the Jennifer Aniston of rock ‘n roll?
    Coldplay-staggeringly mediocre, yet won’t seem to go away.

    What instrument should all lead singers who don’t normally play an instrument be capable of playing in a pinch?
    open chord rythm guitar

  8. Mr. Moderator

    re: Cee-Lo’s “cheeseball and inauthentic” voice, from a Townsman who’s usually most able to overcome backstory: BINGO! I didn’t mind that song, but like someone else said, the hook was exhausted after a minute and a half. That’s how I felt about that guy’s other hit song from 2 or 3 years ago, “Crazy,” which also sounded like a tribute to Fine Young Cannibals.

    I’ll answer these questions later. For now, good stuff!

  9. bostonhistorian

    I’m thinking of answers, but in re: The La’s. Go check their wikipedia entry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_La's) and count the number of band members they had in something like five years and you will begin to see the problem. If that entry is accurate, they may win most band members ever in a band which released only one album.

  10. hrrundivbakshi

    What’s more shocking about Cee-Lo’s new “Fuck You” single, the fact that he works “fuck you” into the song multiple times or the fact that such an old-fashioned, gentle pop song contains so many instances of the phrase “fuck you?”

    Ho-BOY! Mod and BigSteve totally nailed that one for me. I grew to actually despise that “Crazy” song from a year or two back. I do not like Cee-Lo, at all. And song’s that are supposed ti shock and awe ’cause they use swear words basically suck — unless you’re 14.

    Although he became a parody of himself long ago, what do you appreciate most about Mick Jagger?

    His scarf at the world cup. All that silly finger pointing he does on stage. His seeming refusal to undertake plastic surgery. The thing that BUGS me the most about the dude is that he continues to “sing” songs that he can’t sing anymore. That concert bellow of his is awful. Write to your voice, Mick!

    What artist/band, in your opinion, could have most used a kick in the ass to fulfill their potential?

    Prince, for the last 25 years.

    Who’s the Jennifer Aniston of rock ‘n roll?

    Prince, for the last 25 years.

    What instrument should all lead singers who don’t normally play an instrument be capable of playing in a pinch?

    Nose flute? I’d pay serious money to see Roger Daltrey playing a nose flute.

  11. What’s more shocking about Cee-Lo’s new “Fuck You” single?

    I haven’t heard it, but my initial response is “Who cares?” I find it funny that we live in a society where people are shocked and offended when Dr. Laura uses “the n-word” (I hate that too…not the word itself, but use of the phrase “the n-word”…), but people can ave nuts hanging from the cars and trucks and you can hear singles called “Fuck You.” Nothing is sacred, but our standards are messed up.

    Although he became a parody of himself long ago, what do you appreciate most about Mick Jagger?

    That he has always been essentially “Mick.” Despite making millions, I don’t think alot has changed about him since about 1969.

    What artist/band, in your opinion, could have most used a kick in the ass to fulfill their potential?

    The Marshall Tucker Band

    Who’s the Jennifer Aniston of rock ‘n roll?

    Debbie Harry

    What instrument should all lead singers who don’t normally play an instrument be capable of playing in a pinch?

    Two tambourines at once. Or Jew’s harp.

    TB

  12. junkintheyard

    1: I’m with Oats

    2: His energy and stage craft

    3: I have 2- The Black Crows and The Spin Doctors

    4: The Postal Service- Very Cute and I have tried to like it but just can’t get past the occasional song

    5: Vibra-slap, harmonica, various shakers (done, done and done)

  13. Cee-Lo: That the media can still get worked up about 4 letter cuss words. Catchy tune, won’t get played on radio or TV, that’s OK by me.
    Jagger: Up until recently, his refusal to behave like a legacy act. The Exile re-issue looks like the end of that stance.
    Kick in the Ass: Music Industry types – someone needs to figure out ways for artists to record, tour and progress within a framework that the music gets out to its potential fans. Old ways don’t work in the digital world and the new ways haven’t produced anything with popular and artistic weight in the last 10 yrs or so.
    Anniston: Amy Winehouse – somewhat talented at a small segment of her craft but unhinged by speculation into her personal life.
    Lead Singer’s instrument: simple percussion like maracas, tambourines, cowbell.

  14. Cee-Lo
    Pop sound is weird with the “lyrics.” Plus I can’t fathom why so many people have forwarded the damn video to me on Facebook.

    Mick Jagger?
    I am most thankful for the Some Girls LP and Wild Horses.

    Kick in the ass?
    The Cars — I am sorry but I totally lost interest after Panorama.

    Who’s the Jennifer Aniston of rock ‘n roll?
    KT Tunstall. Easy on the eyes, personable, but not “heavy.”

    What instrument? Agreed with many so far – COWBELL!

  15. misterioso

    k., interesting point about Jagger’s “refusal to behave like a legacy act.” I think there is some truth in that, and this stance is a double-edged sword.

    The downside is the absolutely disgraceful failure of the Stones (and Mick foremost, I assume) to be custodians of their, well, legacy. Not that they are unique in this, but setting aside the occasional rounds of remastering (the virtues of which can be debated endlessly), the absence of any Stones equivalent of the Bootleg Series or Anthology (both of which can be bitched about, too, but which serve an important purpose), the absurd neglect of their filmed history (uh, Ladies and Gentlemen…The Rolling Stones, for starters) including their mostly dumb-ass but entertaining videos and promos (Video Rewind, long out of print, was pretty meager), endless rip-off compilations, and so on and so forth.

    Of course, if the new Exile is any indication of an interest in their legacy, maybe it is best that they stay uninterested.

  16. pudman13

    1) What’s more shocking about Cee-Lo’s new “Fuck You” single, the fact that he works “fuck you” into the song multiple times or the fact that such an old-fashioned, gentle pop song contains so many instances of the phrase “fuck you?”

    The fact that there’s nothing at all shocking about it in this day and age.

    By the way, his phrasing on the chorus: “I’m like…fuck you” sounds to me more like he’s saying “I’d like to” which would be much more interesting.

    Also, he sounds like Swamp Dogg.

    2) Although he became a parody of himself long ago, what do you appreciate most about Mick Jagger?

    He always gives an effort.

    3) What artist/band, in your opinion, could have most used a kick in the ass to fulfill their potential?

    Oh my goodness…I can name a million bands who needed co-writers, producers, someone to tell them to shorten or embellish their songs, etc… But Jeff Beck is the obvious answer to me. There’s a guy who could have been really amazing in the right context, if he ever figured out what it was.

    4) Who’s the Jennifer Aniston of rock ‘n roll?

    It’s gotta be Britney spears, no? She’s on the cover of tabloids almost as much as Aniston. In the 70s the answer would have been Fleetwood Mac.

    5) What instrument should all lead singers who don’t normally play an instrument be capable of playing in a pinch?

    Is it too obvious to say harmonica?

    Actually, the better answer is something you don’t need your mouth for. How about a gong?

  17. 2000 Man

    What was wrong with the Exile remaster? I thought it was excellent. The super deluxe versions were bad, but really, the Exile and Ya Ya’s releases were what fans have asked for for decades. So far as the movie legacy, Ladies and Gentlemen is back in theaters on Sept. 16 for one day only, then in October you can buy it on DVD. Gimme Shelter has been an excellent Criterion release for years.

    Maybe because I have pretty much all the bootlegs, I haven’t felt that need for a bootleg anthology. Really, is the casual fan well served by Dylan’s bootleg series? I like Bob, but I’m not buying that stuff, and I think the Stones, usually correctly, are mostly ignoring that niche. There’s some great stuff, but it’s certainly not as awesome as what they actually released, and I bet Dylan’s stuff is the same way.

  18. 1. I like that Cee Lo single. It’s a catchy pop/soul number. Best single I’ve heard all summer. I’d like to hear Al Green take a crack at it. The fact that so many of those commenting have dwelt almost entirely on his use of the title expletive proves that it does, indeed, still hold power for some (and, no, it’s not the REASON I like it, but that phrase DOES get that particular feeling across more immediately than most). I’ve got no problem with the way he sings, either. So, fuck you if you don’t like it, especially all those commenting negatively w/out benefit of even hearing the fucking thing!

    2. Mick’s kept very fit for a man of his age, particularly for one in his profession (& band, for that matter), so that’s commendable.

    3. Who the hell *couldn’t* have used a kick in the ass to fulfill their “potential”? And I’m not just talking about musicians.

    4. Gaye Advert

    5. Lute, washboard, electric jug or autoharp. ONLY THOSE 4!

  19. misterioso

    2000 Man, there was nothing wrong with the Exile remaster qua remaster–I meant the “bonus material” which, in my opinion, they made a complete mess out of.

    I had no idea about the reissue of Ladies and Gentlemen! That is excellent news. I hope it pans out. Mark me down as hopeful, but suspicious.

    No issues with Gimme Shelter. And I should give them points for finally getting Rock and Roll Circus out.

    But among the missing, off the top of my head, are the following:
    –Charlie Is My Darling
    –Live at the Marquee Club 1971 (TV special)
    –professionally shot (televised?) concerts from Paris 1975, Knebworth 1976, Fort Worth 1978 (none of these, perhaps, what one might call from their greatest era as a live band, but the 1978 show is good)
    –a comprehensive or even half decent collection of tv show appearances and promo clips
    –a proper Stones version 1.0 live album to replace Got Live if You Want It
    –a collection of BBC sessions

    I have a lot of this stuff on bootlegs, too, which are of widely varying quality (as is generally the case). I find it hard to believe that fans would not be interested in this material if properly done either as bonus tracks or as stand alone collections. Are you telling me these wouldn’t sell enough to justify their release?

    I don’t know from casual fans when it comes to the Stones or Dylan. I assume that the casual fan is content with Hot Rocks or Bob Dylan’s Greatest Hits.

    The Dylan bootleg series material–especially the studio material but to also some of the live material–is an absolutely essential part of his work. Period.

    I don’t see how anyone with more than a “greatest hits” interest in Dylan would think otherwise, especially when it comes to the years when with incredible frequency he left the best songs or best versions of songs off records that sometimes very badly needed them.

    In short, if you look at Dylan’s released work for the 1980s you get one picture; and if you look at the unreleased work you get another.

    I was always a fan of Oh Mercy, for example, but the outtakes and alternate takes show that a very good record should have been a very great record. The “alternate universe” version of Infidels, likewise, is a very important work, whereas the released version needs special pleading.

    Going back to the 60s and 70s, where a lot of the records are great as is, there are many additional songs or alternate performances that are just as good as the great songs and performances that got released.

    I doubt there are similar revelations for the Stones. The Beatles anthology material, which I am glad to have, is not eye-opening for the most part.

  20. misterioso

    bobbybittman wrote: “I like that Cee Lo single. It’s a catchy pop/soul number. Best single I’ve heard all summer. I’d like to hear Al Green take a crack at it.”

    I think in any scenario where Al Green performed that song crack would, indeed, be involved.

  21. Mr. Moderator

    OK, I’ll play along.

    What’s more shocking about Cee-Lo’s new “Fuck You” single, the fact that he works “fuck you” into the song multiple times or the fact that such an old-fashioned, gentle pop song contains so many instances of the phrase “fuck you?”

    Good question. I’d say the latter. Had he sang “fuck you” 83 times over the course of a, say, Embrace song the effect would not raise an eyebrow. I liked the tune, but everything I’ve heard by that guy runs out of gas a minute or two sooner than he thinks the motor can run.

    Although he became a parody of himself long ago, what do you appreciate most about Mick Jagger?

    Easy: his voice on record. Love the way he sings on record, usually think he blows live.

    What artist/band, in your opinion, could have most used a kick in the ass to fulfill their potential?

    Wow, this is a tough one with all the artists in need of an ass kicking to consider. I’ll say The Band, whose output on record is pretty weak after their second album, one of my all-time faves.

    Who’s the Jennifer Aniston of rock ‘n roll?

    Good question! I’m thinking of the poor, poor pitiful me/America’s Sweetheart with moderate talent and a refusal to truly display possibly her finest talents. Sheryl Crow was a good suggestion, especially because she has the Lance Armstrong dumping to support her cause, but I’ll say Sweet Baby James-era James Taylor instead.

    What instrument should all lead singers who don’t normally play an instrument be capable of playing in a pinch?

    Harmonica.

  22. To clarify upon my mention of the Stones legacy, I always appreciated that they operated as an active rock outfit through the last 20 years or so. They released records, did publicity and toured behind the record. Maybe something would hit, maybe it wouldn’t (it didn’t, those Steel Brdiges to a Big Bang mostly sucked).

    I kind of worry when a band goes into a shell of past glories like The Who playing Quadrophenia with 1/2 the band or even the Pixies reprising all of Doolittle for fans who gave up at some point.

    The Stones never seemed to go there until the Exile re-release. I already own it and am not a completest who had to buy it for the new tracks.

  23. Misterioso, I never said I thought it would ever really happen….but I can imagine his voice fitting it nicely.

    That Exile documentary was worthless. Ladies & Gentlemen, from what I recall of seeing it during a late 70’s (possibly 1980) theatrical re-release, has far too much camera time spent on close ups of Jagger (at the expense of everyone else on stage). Still, it was a great tour, so I’m hoping the music will make up for that (or more footage will be added). That Marquee Club TV special, Cocksucker Blues (fat chance), and Charlie is My Darling would be the other three I wish would be released on DVD (I’ve got a really nice boot of C.S.B., so I won’t lose any sleep over that one). Also, I REALLY wish they would put the “25 X 5” documentary from ’89 out on DVD, as I always thought it was one of the only career overviews of ANY band that really did the job. I’ll probably have to just digitize my old VHS copy.

  24. hrrundivbakshi

    For those who want to watch “Charlie Is My Darling,” you can find it here:

    http://www.guba.com/watch/3000013943/charlie-is-my-darling

  25. ladymisskirroyale

    1. Cee-lo: Pleasant song but that lovely epithet just doesn’t suit the sound. Fuck deserves a nice hard f start and a good, rockin’ consonant /k/ at the end. All that groovin’ in the background just watered it down a perfectly good swear word.

    2. I most appreciate that Mick and I share a birthday.

    3. In need of a kick in the ass: I think Kevin Shields is a great answer. I would add that Brian Wilson and Massive Attack could use the same tough love.

    4. The Jennifer Aniston: John Mayer, whom she used to date.

    5. And every good singer should be able to shake a tambourine.

  26. i loved 25X5!

  27. What’s more shocking about Cee-Lo’s new “Fuck You” single, the fact that he works “fuck you” into the song multiple times or the fact that such an old-fashioned, gentle pop song contains so many instances of the phrase “fuck you?”

    I’m shocked that I was tapping my feet to it. Too bad I can’t play it in my car with my kids in the back seat (yet).

    Although he became a parody of himself long ago, what do you appreciate most about Mick Jagger?

    He’s still alive…

    What artist/band, in your opinion, could have most used a kick in the ass to fulfill their potential?

    Love and Rockets should have been HUGE.

    Who’s the Jennifer Aniston of rock ‘n roll?

    I agree that John Mayer fits this bill.

    What instrument should all lead singers who don’t normally play an instrument be capable of playing in a pinch?

    The Hurdy Gurdy!

  28. What’s more shocking about Cee-Lo’s new “Fuck You” single, the fact that he works “fuck you” into the song multiple times or the fact that such an old-fashioned, gentle pop song contains so many instances of the phrase “fuck you?”

    I love, love, love this song and once you get past the “fuck yous” you’re still left with a funny, profane kiss-off. I hear Swamp Dogg (as mentioned earlier) and Terence Trent D’Arby too. And the “fuck yous” aren’t shocking, they’re kinda cute, and they got everybody talking about the song. Ain’t that some shit.

    And how can anyone who loves and still seeks out new music not have heard this thing by now? I know y’all got internet connections.

    Although he became a parody of himself long ago, what do you appreciate most about Mick Jagger?

    That he was the lead singer of the world’s greatest rock band, at least from 1963 to 1981. Which means it’s been 30 years since they made a good record. Please no mas.

    What artist/band, in your opinion, could have most used a kick in the ass to fulfill their potential?

    Ryan Adams. A kick in the ass and an editor.

    Who’s the Jennifer Aniston of rock ‘n roll?

    John Mayer.

    What instrument should all lead singers who don’t normally play an instrument be capable of playing in a pinch?

    None.

  29. Mr. Moderator

    teek asks:

    And how can anyone who loves and still seeks out new music not have heard this thing by now? I know y’all got internet connections.

    EXCELLENT question! Maybe it’s all those NSFW warnings and we work too much:)

  30. Mr. Moderator

    Fans of Cee-Lo’s voice may dig this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mW0B1sipLBI

  31. Teek says: “once you get past the “fuck yous” you’re still left with a funny, profane kiss-off.”

    I say: I prefer when Harry Nilson did it 35 years ago with You’re Breaking My Heart(“You’re breaking my heart, you’re tearing it apart, so fuck you”), with Peter Frampton and George “Harrysong” on guitars, no less.

  32. cdm says: I prefer when Harry Nilson did it 35 years ago with You’re Breaking My Heart(“You’re breaking my heart, you’re tearing it apart, so fuck you”), with Peter Frampton and George “Harrysong” on guitars, no less.

    I say: It’s possible to enjoy a song from 38 years ago AND one recorded in 2010.

  33. ladymisskirroyale

    Mr. Mod, that “Crazy” clip indicates that all band singers could also have plenty of space and time to master the theremin. GREAT clip!

    A tip of the hat to teek for the TTD’Arby association.

  34. So much has been said in this thread, I hope you don’t mind if I just say that one of my high points in playing shitty bars was a gig at the “C Note” in NYC. I was playing with a country-rock kind of singer songwriter and we were covering “Dead Flowers” when this tall, lanky stringbean of a guy jumped out of the audience and did a spot-on impression of Jagger – mouthing the words, doing the dance and everything. When the song ended, he went right back to the bar and continued drinking his beer. That guy was awesome.

  35. I’ll say these things in favor of Mick Jagger: Someone has to be him. No one ever was him before. And after seeing “Gimme Shelter,” you totally don’t wanna be him. So thank him for taking the job.

    Also, you gotta hand it to him for, as has been discussed before, being the one guy through the ’70s who actually took the phone calls and went to the meetings and did the work while everyone else was a) strung out, b) banging 13-year-olds or c) Charlie Watts. Every band has one guy like that, and no one ever appreciates it, and maybe I have an affinity because I was that guy in several of my bands.

  36. pudman13

    Re: the Nilsson song. I’ve been searching for someone who’s with it (i.e old) enough to remember the song when it first came out. I’m just wondering how shocking it was, and how shocking Lennon’s use of the f-word was on PLASTIC ONO BAND. I have to assume that some people were truly thrown for a loop….but I’ve never been able to find any old articles about profanity in rock or anything like that. Cee-Lo isn’t doing anything we haven’t heard 100 times in different clothing in recent days. What Nilsson did was truly groundbreaking.

  37. Mr. Moderator

    Suddenly I’m reminded of this fine piece that pudman13 contributed a while back!

    https://www.rocktownhall.com/blogs/index.php/profanity-in-rock

  38. Good point Rick about Jagger’s business dedication and how that should count for a lot too.

    Just as an aside, the revised concensus seems to be that Charlie Watts was in fact both
    a) strung out
    and
    c) Charlie Watts
    during a lot of their later years.

  39. Rick said: “Every band has one guy like that, and no one ever appreciates it, and maybe I have an affinity because I was that guy in several of my bands. “

    I say: Do you want to join the Donuts? We don’t really have an opening right now but we can create one if you’re willing to do the administrative stuff.

  40. pudman says “Re: the Nilsson song… …I have to assume that some people were truly thrown for a loop… …What Nilsson did was truly groundbreaking. “

    I say: I thought it was pretty outrageous (in a good way) the first time I heard it in 1982 or so. But this song was a deep album cut on a stone cold turd of an album. And I’ve never run into another person who has this album aside from me. So maybe it’s groundbreaking in the sense that only about 1,000 people bought it at the time, but everyone of those people went out and recorded a song with the words “fuck you” in it.

  41. I must be deaf. I LOVE Son of Schmilsson. It’s another fun (ny) album. Definitely could have been done by someone like Ben Folds years later.

    TB

  42. “Do you want to join the Donuts? We don’t really have an opening right now but we can create one if you’re willing to do the administrative stuff.”

    Eh – I’m only a good adminstrator considering I’m a bass player. If you’re making an opening, go for a professional.

  43. I also have Son of Schmilsson. First side is great: “Take 54” and “Joy” are right up there with “You’re Breaking My Heart.”

  44. “I knew in a minute if I wanted to get in it that I’d have to get on it.”

    Come on, that’s awesome!

    Also, isn’t “Turn on your radio” on that album? That’s no turd, now.

  45. I want to throw out HAPPY BIRTHDAY wishes to citizen Bobby Bittman who shares this illustrious date with Beyonce, Danny Gatton, Martin Chambers from the Pretenders, playmate Candy Loving, and WASP lead singer Blackie Lawless. May you stay forever young.

Nov 072007
 

It’s been some time since we conducted a full-blown Dugout Chatter among Townspeople. Whaddayousay? Let’s hear some noise! Your gut answers to the following provocative questions are appreciated.

Ian Stewart playing piano and running errands for the Stones or Ian Stewart playing piano and running errands for Zeppelin?

True of False: If a gun was pointed at my head I could name a second song by Golden Earring.

Golden Palominos or Golden Smog?

Quick! Without looking it up can you name eight members of Golden Palominos?

Who’s your favorite rock musician commentator featured on rockumentaries whose own music you really don’t care for?

What’s the least logical live bill you’ve ever attended?

In terms of coolness, please rank the members of The Monkees.

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  1. Ian Stewart playing piano and running errands for the Stones or Ian Stewart playing piano and running errands for Zeppelin?

    *Stones

    True of False: If a gun was pointed at my head I could name a second song by Golden Earring.

    *True – “Radar Love” and “When the Bullet Hits the Bone”

    Golden Palominos or Golden Smog?

    *GP

    Quick! Without looking it up can you name eight members of Golden Palominos?

    *Nope – I get stuck on 4 (Fier, Sweet, Straw, Firth )

    Who’s your favorite rock musician commentator featured on rockumentaries whose own music you really don’t care for?

    *Easy – Jerry Garcia

    In terms of coolness, please rank the members of The Monkees.

    *Nesmith, Dolenz, Tork, Jones

  2. hrrundivbakshi

    Ian Stewart playing piano and running errands for the Stones or Ian Stewart playing piano and running errands for Zeppelin?

    Zeppelin; I like the fact that he made a *material* difference in the sound of the band.

    True of False: If a gun was pointed at my head I could name a second song by Golden Earring.

    False.

    Golden Palominos or Golden Smog?

    Dunno. The GPs were an 80s college rock superband of sorts, weren’t they? That always struck me as oxymoronic at a certain level. Washn’t the whole point of college rock to avoid “super”-ness?

    Quick! Without looking it up can you name eight members of Golden Palominos?

    Who’s your favorite rock musician commentator featured on rockumentaries whose own music you really don’t care for?

    Er… have to get back to you on that one.

    What’s the least logical live bill you’ve ever attended?

    Blue Oyster Cult/Jam. No, wait: Monkees/Hendrix. No, wait: can’t think of any; guess I gew up in an extremely logical rock age. Oh, wait: HR opening up for the Minutemen. (That’s HR, formerly of the Bad Brains, who at the time was fronting a heavy metal band, complete with Steve Vai wanna-be lead guitarist; boy, did they suck!)

    In terms of coolness, please rank the members of The Monkees.

    I used to think Nesmith, Dolenz, Tork, Jones — but now I’d say Jones, Nesmith, Dolenz, and then the hapless Tork. It seems to me Jones is happiest being who he’s always been, and as I get older, that quality takes on greater value.

  3. alexmagic

    When The Bullet Hits The Bone is Twilight Zone.

    In terms of coolness, please rank the members of The Monkees.

    Nesmith, Jones, Dolenz, Tork …but I could flip the last two. Nesmith has too much going for him overall to ever lose the top spot, but I would make the same argument for Jones that hrrundivbakshi does above. The whole “Daddy’s Song”/Zappa & talking cow sequence in Head is pretty good evidence that he always knew exactly who he was and what he was all about and never had a problem with it. Dolenz has fared the worst over the years and may be on his way to taking the bottom spot from Tork.

  4. hrrundivbakshi

    Watch the following. It’ll clearly illustrate:

    a.) Nesmith’s troubling pretensions
    b.) Jones’ nascent admirability
    c.) Zappa’s arch dickheaded-ness

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVWZMuSFxns

  5. 2000 Man

    Ian Stewart playing piano and running errands for the Stones or Ian Stewart playing piano and running errands for Zeppelin?

    Even Stu couldn’t make Bob Plant go away. I blame that period of Stu’s life on drugs, man.

    True of False: If a gun was pointed at my head I could name a second song by Golden Earring.

    I don’t need no gun! Moontan is a super cool slab of 70’s gooey goodness. Vanilla Queen, Candy’s Going Bad, Radar Love and Are You Receiving Me are swell. I even know enough to pull a Pince Nez and mention that When the Bullet Hits the Bone is actually Twilight Zone and that the chick that smoked a whole Marlboro in one gigantic suck in the video still haunts me, even in my dreams.

    Golden Palominos or Golden Smog?

    Golden Smog.

    Quick! Without looking it up can you name eight members of Golden Palominos?

    Why the hell do you think I picked Golden Smog?

    Who’s your favorite rock musician commentator featured on rockumentaries whose own music you really don’t care for?

    I usually tune out those people. I figure if I don’t like their music I won’t like what they listen to anyway. Except for Exile, cuz everyone listens to Exile.

    What’s the least logical live bill you’ve ever attended?

    Loverboy and ZZ Top. Loverboy must have hated Cleveland after that show.

    In terms of coolness, please rank the members of The Monkees.

    The Monkees aren’t cool. None of them are cool. They never were, even when they were on TV. Their Cool Factor is a big, fat goose egg.

  6. Zeppelin.
    True.
    Palominos
    No. Just Anton Fier.
    Michael Des Barres.
    Didn’t attend, but Sisters of Mercy/Public Enemy is the weirdest half-tour in history.
    Nesmith, Dolenz, Jones, Tork

  7. Ian Stewart playing piano and running errands for the Stones or Ian Stewart playing piano and running errands for Zeppelin?

    Ian with the Stones.

    True of False: If a gun was pointed at my head I could name a second song by Golden Earring.

    False

    Golden Palominos or Golden Smog?

    Golden Palominos

    Quick! Without looking it up can you name eight members of Golden Palominos?

    No (Sid Straw, Anton Fier are the only two I can remember…wasn’t Michael Stipe involved too?)

    Who’s your favorite rock musician commentator featured on rockumentaries whose own music you really don’t care for?

    Pass

    What’s the least logical live bill you’ve ever attended?

    Blondie opening for Rush at the Philadelphia Spectrum. I was there for both bands.

    In terms of coolness, please rank the members of The Monkees.

    From coolest to least cool: Micky, Michael, Peter, Davy.

  8. Mr. Moderator

    Great answers, so far – many of them CORRECT! Let’s keep the chatter coming.

  9. BigSteve

    1. Stones. Duh.

    2. False.

    3. Palominos.

    4. I believe Anton Fier was the only real ‘member’ of the GPs, but I can remember that many people who played on the records — Michael Stipe, Syd Straw, Robert Kidney, Bill Laswell, Nicky Skopelitis, Jack Bruce, Johnny Rotten, Arto Lindsay, Matthew Sweet, T Bone Burnett, etc.

    5. I just saw the new Tom Petty doc, Running Down a Dream (it’s on the Sundance channel already, all 4 hours of it), and Dave Stewart and Jeff Lynne give good interview, but I have no interest in their music.

    6. At the time I did not understand the logic of the MC5 and the Stooges opening for Alice Cooper, although now I see the Michigan connection.

    7. Jones is last. Accepting that you’re a showbiz hack may make you less of an asshole, but it doesn’t make you cool. Nesmith was the coolest then and still is. I guess I’d put Dolenz second, because he has/had a great rock&roll voice, and also for his appearance in in an audience shot in Monterrey Pop. Tork might have challenged him for second, if he’d stayed a folkie, but his recent reappearance as a Chicago bluesman is very problematical.

  10. Mr. Moderator

    BigSteve wrote:

    Jones is last. Accepting that you’re a showbiz hack may make you less of an asshole, but it doesn’t make you cool.

    Man, how true is this!!! I don’t want to tip my hand too much regarding the answer key, but I will say that Dolenz’ slot as second coolest member becomes more tenuous with each day he wears that greased, thinning, curly-headed tightly tied ponytail. Really bad Look!

  11. Who’s your favorite rock musician commentator featured on rockumentaries whose own music you really don’t care for?

    Right now, I guess it’s Henry Rollins, or maybe the Bizarro Rollins, Scott Ian. However, I guarantee you that within the next ten years, Craig Finn of The Hold Steady will become a rock-doc mainstay and, in those ten years, I will continue to hate their music.

    In terms of coolness, please rank the members of The Monkees.

    I’m tempted to rank The Monkees on the cool-ometer like this:

    Nesmith.

    But that’s unfair. We can bust on Dolenz’s awful modern-day ponytail, but Nez has a few Look issues himself these days. (Eg: http://i.imdb.com/Photos/HH/0626452/execnez.jpg) So let’s say: Nesmith, Tork, Dolenz, Jones.

  12. trolleyvox

    Least logical concert:

    Psychedelic Furs
    Southside Johnny
    Divinyls

  13. 2000 Man

    Wow, The Divinyls must have had some pretty awful management or something. I saw them open for The Cult, right after they changed their name from Southern Death Cult. I wanted to see The Divinyls, and we got really close. I’m pretty sure Christina Amphlett was looking and referring directly to me the whole time, but my brother says she was looking at him (he’s a douchebag though, so that’s unpossible). We didn’t stick around for The Cult. After a few songs we figured we had seen the far better of the two bands.

    That was at the Variety Theater. I saw Motorhead crack the ceiling there because they were so loud.

  14. general slocum

    I saw Bob Seeger open for KISS on the Destroyer tour. I felt really bad for him.

    Also, I only played with them in their last incarnation, but for most of their history, the Ambush Bugs were the odd band out on bill after bill, showing incredible cojones in getting on stage at every punk rock venue in the region with just a trumpet and an upright bass (and Rocko).

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